Petition - Aufhebung der GEMA-Vermutung

[-Jens-]

https://epetitionen.bundestag.de/petitionen/_2012/_08/_28/Petition_35441.html

Petition 35441
Urheberrecht - Aufhebung der sogenannten GEMA-Vermutung vom 28.08.2012
Text der Petition

Der Deutsche Bundestag möge beschließen, die sogenannte GEMA-Vermutung (§13c UrhWahrnG) aufzuheben und somit die Umkehr der Beweislast als unzulässig zu erklären.

Läuft nicht mehr lange. Je mehr unterzeichnen, desto besser ...

[ukuluku]

Schon 53000 Unterzeichner!!! MITMACHEN!!!

[torstenohneh]

Done

[Spottdrossel]

Der Deutsche Bundestag möge beschließen, die sogenannte GEMA-Vermutung (§13c UrhWahrnG) aufzuheben und somit die Umkehr der Beweislast als unzulässig zu erklären.

What does that really mean?

Spottdrossel

[apfelrockt]

Well, Lawyers Tongue, hard to translate, but as of today, you have to prove that the songs you play (say in a small club or even a huge Concert hall, it dosen\'t matter ) are not Gemma \'Content\'. Otherwise Gema can assume that that the Songs you play are Gema protected and therfore you have to pay a fee to the Gema.
Now the want it to be the other way around: Gema must prove that the song(s) you play are Gema protected.

Hope that makes sence ......

[ukuluku]

Nach einer Umkehr der Beweislast müsste die GEMA in Zukunft beweisen, dass auf einer Veranstaltung überhaupt Musik
von einem Künstler gespielt wird, den die GEMA vertritt.
Bisher lag die Beweislast beim Veranstalter und es reichte die bloße Vermutung der GEMA um Gebühren einzuziehen.

Gruß Uwe

[Spottdrossel]

Well, Lawyers Tongue, hard to translate, but as of today, you have to prove that the songs you play (say in a small club or even a huge Concert hall, it dosen\'t matter ) are not Gemma \'Content\'. Otherwise Gema can assume that that the Songs you play are Gema protected and therfore you have to pay a fee to the Gema.
Now the want it to be the other way around: Gema must prove that the song(s) you play are Gema protected.

Hope that makes sence ......

Alles klar.   Danke.   Wow... THAT IS VERY HEAVY HANDED ENFORCEMENT!!!  8-(

[ukelmann]

Der Deutsche Bundestag möge beschließen, die sogenannte GEMA-Vermutung (§13c UrhWahrnG) aufzuheben und somit die Umkehr der Beweislast als unzulässig zu erklären.
What does that really mean?

Umkehr der Beweislast = reversal of the burden of proof

IIRC: This depends to the situation about songs, an artist produced during or behind a GEMA-membership. Songs during GEMA-membership he has to pay for, songs behind membership not. At moment an artist has to proof that his song was made after his membership for not to pay fees.

Maybe also: Each artist has to pay for his gigs to GEMA.  Artists playing only their own songs have to proof that they play only their own songs, for not to pay fees to GEMA for other songs. By abrogating this law, GEMA should has to proof, that artists are playing not only their own song.

I dont know, whats about the fees for own songs during GEMA membership.

Hoffe, dass das so stimmt.

[ukelmann]

And as Ukuluku wrote:
Organizers/presenters at moment have to show, their artists are _no_ GEMA-members, and are _not_ playing GEMA-protected songs, for not to pay fees.

[Spottdrossel]

And as Ukuluku wrote:
Organizers/presenters at moment have to show, their artists are _no_ GEMA-members, and are _not_ playing GEMA-protected songs, for not to pay fees.

Danke for the info.  I wonder how that works with Ukulele Stammtisch?  Will playing COVERS at the Berliner Ukulele Stammtisch become verboten at the Lagari?  

Spottie

[apfelrockt]

This whole Gema thing is only about comercial issues, as long as there is no Money involved and it\'s a privat event you are safe.

[gallier]

Sobald die Veranstaltung öffentlich ist, muss bezahlt werden. Auch wenn der Eintritt frei ist.

[ukuluku]

@ukelmann... danke fürs Übersetzen  

[Meg]

Erledigt.

[-Jens-]

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